That there was a big agenda the other day. It was pointed out by a few of us how subtle it was, common trick to seem to be making a genuine question about negative things spark debate. Personally though I can't be doing with segueing with virtual people on a bb. I think of them as like the sad relatives or 'friends' we all have who never let up. Surt of people you 'can't win with'. Only way (IMO) is to not let them rile you and be true to yourself. Ie be honest, relatively polite - people will see the truth. If not then their loss. More than enough people on this bb to promote the good things about Scancell. But appreciate your views and way if things. Good for you.
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[scrumpy22] I dont disagree
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[CHELSEA7] Scrumpy22
I understand exactly where you are coming from you are a gentleman as are many here. Reminds me too i am, however, i will rather not accommadate their nonsense any more. At the end of the day i see it as ignoring the same rhetoric rather than affording the platform for it.
I think it was Ruck Rover who made me chuckle with his NDAs. Given the trades we have seen today lets hope for another interesting day tomorrow, build some momentum, and yes get back to some serious debate to those genuinly seeking it. Night ALL
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[GlenFidrich] C7
Glad you're back! Missed your posts. Hope all is well. To all posters, let's at least try to keep the bb civil from now on. So much to look forward to here, let's try to be positive. GLA.
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[keepbuying] Scancell is Risky
In just over two years the SP has fallen by 50% and has effectively underperformed the all share index by a similar amount .
That loss has emanated from the Calculus funding model. Calculus are a big risk to capital and share price appreciation for new PI's and existing PI's post 2012. This risk will not disappear until the shares held by Calculus are significantly lower than they are at present. This will be mid 2016 at the earliest. So to quantify that risk. You will waste working capital investing in Scancell for the next c18 months because under the current model, any strength will be sold into.
Your only hope is a big license deal or a buy out. The latter is unlikely and the former is not likely to generate big returns until the 'deal' starts delivering treatment to patients and generates cash. The likely scenario is for a short term jump following a deal allowing PI's to 'cash in' before Calculus flood the market with further sells. This benefits the Trader not the Investor.
The 'minted' scenario will only happen with a sale of Scancell and its platforms to a sole buyer. Odds are long.
In summary, an investment in Scancell can be described as a dead investment for at least 18 months and then jam later providing RG can conclude a deal. There is no track record of success in that area, therefore highlighting another risk which should be negated with the science.
If all fails there will be another Open Offer within two years, further diluting PI's capital and allowing II's a bigger and better share of the pie.
This is not a guaranteed 'minted' scenario it is a 'medium risk, jam in 3-5 years' investment.
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[CHELSEA7] Glenfidrich
Thanks for your kind words. As Wildforce and shog continue to supply great links for us, boomorbust still willing to post to higher standards that is my whole point.
We are civilised, IMHO now too much so to certain posters. We should not have to try and be positive we have so much going for us but lets get this BB back from those not interested in a strong BB to start with. Their posts are taking the pi$$, lets get our message over not defend our data sing it from the rafters. Till tomorrow all. Missed yer!!!!!!
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[ratcliffewriter] ho hum
Looks like some people love just three words of shareprophets tip review (2015 might well be the year), and attach no weight at all to the speed of developments in the world of immunotherapy, the compelling data from scancell, the information available from their unembroidered rns flow, and the cda s with a number of interested parties since however long ago. 'Dead share till at least 2016'? Get a life aimbig. Oh sorry we're 'keepspouting' on this board aren't we? If you really believe what you say, why on earth are you invested here? And if you aren't invested here, why are you posting strong and biased negatives?
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[dragon101] SP
Interesting day...
I see we have a few joke posters trying to destabilize the forum..
I wonder why Calculus are selling now instead of their usual point 35-39?
I wonder if good news is on the very near horizon....
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[CHELSEA7] RE: Glenfidrich
In fact every single person who has posted this week has achieved adding something with humour and constraint. If my 23.06 suggested anything otherwise i apologise to those whose names i missed out.
OK, sleeping seems not to be on my agenda...................!!! Hmmmm.........
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[CHELSEA7] RE: Full or partial sale
Cars, just been reading your excellent post from yesterday. Tricky questions, tricky answers............but this piece taken from the AGM update 14.10.14 is the latest that any of us know.
Dr Richard Goodfellow, Joint CEO of Scancell, adds: "Cancer immunotherapy is emerging as one of the most exciting areas of pharmaceutical research and development. Scancell now has two innovative technology platforms in this emerging field, both of which are currently being evaluated by a number of pharmaceutical companies under a CDA. The encouraging survival data on SCIB1, especially in patients with resected disease, offers an even greater market opportunity for SCIB1 and our pipeline of ImmunoBody® vaccines than was originally envisaged."
Hope that helps a little and be mindful also that Richard has on more than one occasion re-iterated that if the circumstances do arrive at Partial Sale of a Platform it will not be at the expense of value to the then existing/ remaining IP.
Everybody under the best will is still putting guesstimations into posts as to when a deal/s might be likely. There are two problems in doing so and whether it leads PIs to feel there is no sense of urgency to build a stake here, which i have heard people tell me, or just for the idiots to use that as "a deal or bust scenario"which will be detrimental to our efforts in obtaining true value there is but one truth...................A deal/s COULD be announced any day.................that is the only fact. So with the best intentions it is IMHO becoming Idol Gossip with all that is normally attached to it....................ATB C7
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[Wildforce] Morning all
Morning keepbuying ..
Any news on the t-cell epitope research !? And here's another pointer for you .. For free ! Have a look across the markets for up front payments for the use of very early stage immunotherapeutic intellectual property .. Per target...
You spend a lot of time avoiding the obvious in your creative writings ?
I'm intrigued by your research where you have found that scancell are re-engineering t-cells ! Please share for everyones benefit ! Many thanks !
Take care ..
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[ratcliffewriter] full/part sale
Further to c7's post - I specifically asked rg in person at the agm whether he felt a part sale would diminish the value of the whole and was therefore a less attractive option. His reply was definitely no. Everything is on the table and for sale as parts or whole, I think the only debate is the price. It would help if those with a less positive agenda got their science right mind you. Enthusiasm is one thing, downright avoidable inaccuracy is quite another.
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[ratcliffewriter] by the way
Those last 3 sentences are my view, not an rg quote. But I wouldn't be surprised if he agreed...
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[tosh123] C7
I'm sorry but you do talk such nonsense....
whether you like it or not, there are risks,. If you want to blindly invest 100% of your free capital into an AIM listed small bio, with zero revenue generation, and as of yet, no deals, then thats your concern, but please dont start trying to call other peoples investments, because all you succeed in doing is making yourself look even more stupid.
I have my holding, i am keeping my holding, i have had my holding for many years longer than yourself, i have not sold, nor bought any further shares for a long time, my position is pretty much hedged, and i am happy with my exposure. I dont need to continually hype this share, whatever happens, happens, theres nothing that you or anyone else on this BB can do to alter that.
People are allowed to have their own opinions, in the same way that you are entitled to invest without any form of safety net. So if you cant handle that, then i respectfully suggest that you find another forum to spin your nonsense on, because to continue to throw unfounded and totally inaccurate accusations around, is nothing short of desperate....
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[Cars] RE: Full or partial sale
Morning c7 ,
Good to see your back and thanks for the reply.
I am very optimistic about the future prospects for Scancell and for what it's worth I believe a deal is a lot closer than a few other board members think. I believe it was Oct 2013 when Richard first announced he was in discussion with pharma on both platforms , this was followed by Ichor announcing in May their deal with Pfizer , which may have no bearing at all but I believe it was Wildforce at the time (stand to be corrected) mentioned their was nothing at the time in their pipeline as to why this particular deal would take place , and that has always played on my mind ! And (imho) the possible delay of a deal not being announced in 2014 was Scancell testing their effectiveness with a pd1 ( which was a very important RNS). Richard announced we are under cda's with various pharma companies was the boards way of telling the market and us pi's that everything is on track .
I would be interested to know if any member of the board may know how long it would take from when Scancell decided to test pd1 from the start to finish of the process? ( Richarddawson maybe ? )
This is all imho .
Many thanks.
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[Wildforce] Tosh
Morning .. Any thoughts on scancell re-engineering t-cells - wouldn't mind your opinion on the subject !? And do you think Pharma are certainly 'risk on' when it comes to immunotherapy IP (even at an un-proved pre-clinical stage) !
Take care and thanks ..
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[ratcliffewriter] RE: C7
To be fair I can't actually find anywhere where c7 says 'no risk' - he obviously feels that whatever risk is present is worth taking. Everyone will have a different feeling on level of risk and buy/sell/hold/hedge accordingly. But as I recall among the various exchanges on this board, the poster attributed the term 'no risk' hasn't been posted here for a long time.
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[CHELSEA7] RE: Full or partial sale
Morning Cars,
Well without hearing anything different to what we know, i topped up at 32.1 and 32.5 which i felt happy with for me. To that effect i have the holding that i am prepared to RISK for me with the knowledge that news could come at any time.
Others have done and will do what they feel is right for them. I do find it strange that anybody would go on day after day about risk especially given that in their opinion the science has got nothing to do with it..............yea, A quote. As ever i will await the next RNS before re evaluating my position, who knows the SP might allow me the fortune to purchase more. GL to you.
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[Sucker23] Tosh123
Having read back posts here I totally agree with you that there is an element of risk anyone who thinks different is either dillusional or has some kind of weird agenda only my opinion of course
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[tosh123] C7
If you're going to quote, i suggest that you quote the full statement, and in its original context.... Lots of investors on AIM do no research, they " trade " using mathematical formula's, and as such, the science doesn't matter, they are not investing in the science nor the long term future of the company, they are investing in a strategy that plays the precentages.... FACT
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[tosh123] C7
Some even have " black boxes " with algorithmic fomulae, they come in in the morning, turn the box on, and then via DMA the box trades all day. They then turn the box off, and go home, so not only is the science irrelevant, so is the company !
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